Europe Guitar Tabs!!!

Adyan and Tommy what do you guys think? You really don't think Aphasia have any tapping? BTW Tommy do you need the tab for Aphasia? Let me know if you maybe. Then again the one I have might be crap since Hadi here thinks there is no tapping on Aphasia or it can't be played with tapping.

Ok first of all I want to say that I NEVER claimed that my solo is sounds like Kee. I know I don't sound like Kee no one really need to tell me that. Second...for superstitious I am not upto the speed on the very fast part other than that if your ear is that good you should know that I have Kee Marcello's REM video and I did watch the video many many times. You can't tell me I hitting the wrong keys. Maybe you should use the mp3 software to slow down my wave and compare with Kee's. Like I said my speed is somewhere between 16 and 32...definitely way below 32. But before you lecture you really should listen to the file carefully. I am not "playing whatever" because I know how to read tabs and I KNOW I am playing the same notes from REM tab book. Maybe you should talk to your teacher about it. I wish I could ask a teacher but I tought myself and I just play for fun. So you just proved to me by making that comment your ears aren't as good as you claim they are...if you want to play the game of put down. Now for Apashia you really don't think there is any tapping? I would like to see anyone playing 7 - 8 - 16 on the second string without tapping at the speed that John Norum says. If you can do it just tell me how or just record it using sound recorder on you windows. I play Aphasia with what I have. So think about all this and reply. Take care.

Hello Aydan

You will never see me writing that I'm superior. I am strictly *nothing* compared to my guitar teacher. And since I'm practicing only since 4 years and since I'm working every day (damn why didn't I start guitar when I was *doing nothing* at school ) I can only practice maximum 1 hour / day .. sometimes half an hour ... then I don't have a very high level on the instrument. I'm not able to play TFC solo up to the tempo of original .. I have to slow down it to 20% less.

But the only thing I have good, and my guitar teacher agrees with that, is my ears I have a precise ear and if a single note is missed in a solo, I will tell you which one.

Let me give you an example, and let's play a "game". I will give you a link to a video where a guy (be careful about what I say : he is VERY GOOD, BETTER THAN ME on the "instrument mastering" point of view .. but ... he have a *BAD EAR* and have made several mistakes) is performing TFC solo.

I'm telling you he's mistaken somewhere. Can you tell me where ?

Here is the link : Final Countdown Solo

Well, to get back to your demand of a tab for On broken wings, same pb : TIME ! But there is also the same pb : sound isn't very clear and not easy to distinguish the notes of the solo (I already did try with my guitar teacher, and the sound is too much confused..) But why are you mentionning the intro ? are you speaking about beginning of the solo, or the beginning of the song ?

Intro is usually meaning beginning of the song, and in this one there is no pb at beginnning, this is effectively starting with an A with palm muting and mediator plays eighth notes, after you cut with a simple C chord, then B chord, G chord, (of course these chords are performed only on 3 strings), then E note, then again A palm muting with eighth notes, etc...

Cu

Hadi

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Hey man, what i really wanted was a good reliable tab for "on broken wings". thats one of the best europe songs ever, it hits me in such a way... anyways i have worked out some parts but seeing as you have lessons and are far superior you can do it better. In the intro with the palm muting i know its a powerchord of A and then so on :)

please help! :P

Hello friend !

Long time not discussed with you ! Your post about your story was nice to read.

I understand your pb around Ninja and Danger On the Track, I recognize there the ear of a fellow guitarist who is aware of where is real difficulty located

These 2 songs are effectively holding the 2 of the 4 hardest solos of TFC (the 3rd one being .. ROCK THE NIGHT ! and the 4rd one certainly is On the Loose, a proof : Kee has never even tried to perform these 2 solos as John made them on the following Europe tours... too much work needed to get it back ... he prefered to play something completely different - not as nice with some not-so-nice tapping ). Ninja also has a very hard to understand intro.

I'm currently working on Ninja solo with my guitar teacher. I am able to tell you all the notes except one part, at the middle of the solo, there is some massive harmonics played just before a fast part and a bend on a harmonic (a great bend, somehow like a horse whinny ). These 3 things last for only 2 measures, but those are the part I stil can't distinguish for a simple reason : the sound is not very clear...

You certainly have noticed that John's guitar sound in TFC has never been as clear as let's say Kee's sound on Ootw. I think John was using a lot effects to get a decent fat distortion with his 65' stratocaster. That produces that "unclear" sound (but don't misunderstand what I say, I'm not saying it sounds "bad", no sounding precise does not prevent it from sounding really nice in the mix !)

Ok I'll give you what I have found. I will try to borrow a recording equipment from a friend this week and I will post it.

About the tabs, as I said, It really takes so damn much time but I'm considering starting a tabbing effort for all solos of TFC. That would be appreciated also in my forum which is especially dedicated to musical aspect of Europe.

I will let you know as soon as I have something ready. If you have a difficulty on a precise point, you can post there the exact time in the song, I'll listen and will tell you how I hear it.

Cu

Hadi

http://europemusic.forumactif.com

Hadi, my friend!

Please, could you help me?!

We are making a Europe Tribute here in Hungary. I'm TOTALLY TIRED of practicing, my ears have "gone away":)))))

I told you already in another topic (about TFC keyboards) I can play most of the songs from TFC like John Norum does. Except Ninja and danger on the track. It was too heavy for me to hear it and play, without a helping note or tab. I'm not an expert in computer world, so please send me something (tabs, helpful links etc) here or by mail: gellerinfo@axelero.hu

Thank you anyway!
Tommy

Hi Aydan,

You're totally right, I have to post the tab for Cherokee since I told you it's easy, I was also planning to post for you a precise tab of The Time has Come as well as mp3s etc..

I can promise that I will post it, but I can't tell you that it's for tomorrow or even next week ok ?

Because as you know, all this takes a lot of time, and I'm working and have a lot of activities to do in the evening.. add to this that my week-ends are ..ahem.. busy

Well, I will try to post it before the end of this month. I will let a message there as soon as it's ready.

But I'm also waiting a mp3 of your solos, I would like to exchange ideas, tricks & tips about guitar playing with you and Rasikh. The only thing I ask is that we all stay "honest and precise", an E is not D#, an eighth note is not a sixteenth note, tapping is not mediator play, ok ? ;-)

I'll finish by telling you that about my guitar play : I'm not strong because I'm always right, I'm strong because I'm able to know when I'm wrong ;-) (and when I'm not strong enough, my guitar teacher helps me to get stronger )

Cu

Hadi

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Hi all,

Sorry Rasikh, but I listened to your mp3s, and I have to tell you that what you're doing is what is doing John (but NOT KEE) too much often on stage which is **VERY BAD** : you play very accurately the solo on the easy parts (the slow ones) and when you get to the hard part (the fastest one) you play *absolutely whatever*.

This is very easy to check : I can give you a winamp plug-in which allow to slow down a mp3 by more than 50% without changing the pitch of the sound, it's there : http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/SlowMeDown/ ; this is perfect for studying solos that are fast.

Well .. in this case, I don't need that to say you're wrong because I have the Kee Marcello REH video tape where Kee explains and details Superstitious solo part by part and I also have the original tab of Kee included as a booklet. But if you need something to understand you're playing wrongly, then just use the plug-in with original solo and then with your solo ..

I HOPE you will understand the HUGE DIFFERENCE !!!

Doing whatever on the hardest part of a solo exactly means that you are not (at least not yet) able to play this solo. For me you absolutely *CAN'T* pretend you're "playing" Superstitious solo. My guitar teacher agrees with what I say and suggests that you try to play the hard part at slow speed in an other mp3 ... this will help you to discover you are not following the original tab of Kee at all (I can give you the hard part by e-mail or post it somewhere if someone else is interested).

And man there's also the pb of the sound ! The sound is ok for slow parts and a marmelade for the fast ones... that's not the way guitar is meant to be played. You still have a big lot of work around this solo to not lose precision as you gain speed.

There is also the same kind of pb for the other ones (Aphasia is ok for 1st half and 2nd half is not correct, bunch of tapping to avoid the difficulty of the fast mediator parts, etc..)

I know what you are going to say : ok then show us that you can do better. And my answer is "ok I plan to do it", just wait that I get the recording material (I'm trying to buy a pro audio card for my laptop) and I'll post mp3s where I will also post slow versions so that you can check that everything is played accurately, and if you'll find a mistake, I'll be *thankful* if you show it to me, cause I'm always happy to learn I'm not right when I play music. I'm also more into exchanging about accuracy and precision than fighting and trying to say one is good or one is bad. Rasikh understand what I say, when I say you're not playing Superstitious solo,

1 - I don't say you're bad
2 - I don't say you will never play it (if you work on it again)

Cu

Hadi

http://europemusic.forumactif.com

Hadi I have to say Adyan is right. Just because he doesn't play cherokee solo doesn't mean he can't play superstitious. Like he said he probably just didn't try to learn it. I play a few but not the whole Cherokee just because I didn't try enough, but I think I can play superstitious decent. You can hear it at http://www.angelfire.com/nj/europepage/guitarsound.html I posted mine up. I would like to hear you guys play and post them up online. I would love to hear some covers by fan. About tabbing. I just started tabbing. Adyan download a program called amazing slow downer. It makes tabbing a lot less challanging. I figured out Kee Marcello's Hey Romeo with the help of that program. Well anyways if you guys are from USA I hope you are going to the concert. Take care.

also, when you say the solo's are easy to tab and learn form istening to them? then PLEASE do me a favour and tab some songs i request for me. I know it is possile if you have lessons and you understand how songs are structured around certian keys etc but im havent had lessons, i play for the fun of it however i do intend to soon get lessons also, if you want an MP3 of me doing the superstitious solo just give me your email address and ill be more than happy to send it to you!

Yes i know the cherokee solos is easy from the way it sounds but i have found no good tabs for it anywhere, thus i have had no chance to learn it whereas i have with TFC solo as there ae many tabs and i play it using my skill levels which i know are not GODLY. I do however think that im prety decent for my time nd effort regardless of what i play or cannot.

A guitarist is not a robot that can only play tablatures found on the internet (which are very often *mistaken*).

My answer was too rude, I apologize about it .. but what you sayed shocked me, especially the "I think I play like god, are you my fan now ?" way .. that's a very very "young" way ... man post your mp3s somewhere and just ask people to say what they think about it.. maybe you'll discover you're playing "up to speed" very wrong things.

And think twice about what is a "good" guitarist when you say you're playing pefectly hard solos (TFC) but can't play more simple ones (Cherokee) ...

But as would say Dimi, I'm not paid for telling you what is childish and what's not so I won't do it more there.

Bye

Hadi

http://europemusic.forumactif.com

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Written by: Hadi 19/02/2005 15.30

no you dumass, its the case of i found tabs to learn rock the night and tere are none for other songs sp try reading properly or fuck off

You are not good, you're just lying .

I have 4 years of guitar behind me and a teacher that manage to play strictly all solos of Europe (he even plays Malmsteen which is much harder than Europe), and what you're saying has no sense... you play the solo of Rock the Night perfectly but not Cherokee's one ? man come on.. solo of Rock the Night is 100 times harder than Cherokee's one (which is one of the most simple solo of all Europe songs).

Same remark about Time Has Come and Superstitious : absolutely no comparison in terms of difficulty, Superstitious is much more difficult, but strangely you plays this one perfect and not Time Has Come (for which you are looking for tabs while it can easily be found only by ear).

Sorry, but you're saying whatever . Either you're completely lying from beginning to end, either what you call "perfect" is maybe not so perfect.

If you can post a link to some of your mp3s, I'm impatient to hear your "perfect" Rock the Night including solo .

"Hello I'm looking for the tab of 'Jingle Bells' cause I don't manage to play it, but I play perfectly Concerto N°21 for Piano and orchestra of Mozart "

Kinda funny

Maybe the explanation of all this resides in the fact you're "only" 16 years old

Hadi

http://europemusic.forumactif.com

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Written by: Aydan 28/01/2005 22.17
That's cool, I can play:
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Superstitious (most i worked out so its probablky wrong but soudns good, also the solos up to speed and sounds perfect!)
Open Your Hear (not too hard but havent found solo tab)
Time Has Come (One of my ultimate fav songs which i can play all the way through except the solo which i realty want to find a tab for)
Cherokee (not solo)
Rock The Night (perfect including Solos!)

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NOTE: I am only 16 abd have been playing the guitar for 2 years, also i have NEVER had lessons. Am i good if i can play them???

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You are not good, you're just lying .

I have 4 years of guitar behind me and a teacher that manage to play strictly all solos of Europe (he even plays Malmsteen which is much harder than Europe), and what you're saying has no sense... you play the solo of Rock the Night perfectly but not Cherokee's one ? man come on.. solo of Rock the Night is 100 times harder than Cherokee's one (which is one of the most simple solo of all Europe songs).

Same remark about Time Has Come and Superstitious : absolutely no comparison in terms of difficulty, Superstitious is much more difficult, but strangely you plays this one perfect and not Time Has Come (for which you are looking for tabs while it can easily be found only by ear).

Sorry, but you're saying whatever . Either you're completely lying from beginning to end, either what you call "perfect" is maybe not so perfect.

If you can post a link to some of your mp3s, I'm impatient to hear your "perfect" Rock the Night including solo .

"Hello I'm looking for the tab of 'Jingle Bells' cause I don't manage to play it, but I play perfectly Concerto N°21 for Piano and orchestra of Mozart "

Kinda funny

Maybe the explanation of all this resides in the fact you're "only" 16 years old

Hadi

http://europemusic.forumactif.com

In an other topic at the Collectors forum of this esc forum are some sites to find :)

That's cool, I can play:

The Final Countdown (including solo! up to speed!)
Superstitious (most i worked out so its probablky wrong but soudns good, also the solos up to speed and sounds perfect!)
Open Your Hear (not too hard but havent found solo tab)
Time Has Come (One of my ultimate fav songs which i can play all the way through except the solo which i realty want to find a tab for)
Cherokee (not solo)
Rock The Night (perfect including Solos!)
Carrie (perfect nd the solos!)
On Broken Wings (only some i worked out i badly want a tab for this too)

I knwo more but i cant be bothered to list lol...
Anyays PLEASE tell me some fan sites wiht the tabs i need to check them!!!

===If you dont beleive i can play them then E-mail me and ill send you all a recording of me doing them!!!===

NOTE: I am only 16 abd have been playing the guitar for 2 years, also i have NEVER had lessons. Am i good if i can play them???

I use Powertabs and Guitar Pro and you can download tabs from internet. I also looking for some tabs. I just have a few. A lot of fan sites have bass and guitar tabs. I think Rasheek got some tabs. :) I have a short break with guitar playing, i have not much time. i am studying now. i used to play TFC, open your heart anmd cherokee withhout solo's i am not that fast heheheh
Greets Vera

hey guys, I am wondering if any of you know or can get tabs of some songs by Europe, mainly there 80's stuff as that was the best!!! I can play the final countdown and the solo!!! also, i have worked out some of superstitious and i can play the solo all the way through, but I just want to see how John and Kee play their songs. If ANYONE can help then please do, i will be very greatfull!!!

===Europe Rock the World===

===It's a shame Europe arent that famous in the UK===